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(C89) [Takotsuboya (TK)] Teitoku no Ketsudan MIDWAY | Admiral's Decision: MIDWAY (Kantai Collection -KanColle-) [English] [N04h]

(C89) [蛸壷屋 (TK)] テートクの決断 MIDWAY (艦隊これくしょん -艦これ-) [英訳]

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Posted on 29 August 2018, 21:48 UTC by:   N04h    PM
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Translator: N04H www.n04h.net
Editor: Herzer

Updated with corrections by Inceptor57 and added afterword.
Posted on 14 December 2017, 10:59 UTC by:   Red_Piotrus    PM
Score +251
So.... you couldn't find another dojin with more text, huh?

Impressive.
Posted on 14 December 2017, 11:09 UTC by:   N04h    PM
Score +384
@Red_Piotrus: This was a commissioned translation. If people are prepared to pay, we can translate anything.
Posted on 14 December 2017, 13:53 UTC by:   Farmuhan    PM
Score +12
i don't know why this have bad star

this is very good

hope chapter 4 have the scan, i want to read about Nishimura fleet
Posted on 14 December 2017, 14:14 UTC by:   kusarihime    PM
Score +150
tfw you're not here for the porn
Posted on 14 December 2017, 14:28 UTC by:   The Cheiftan    PM
Score +63
I mean aside from being largely completely wrong about almost everything involving the British, this is some good stuff.
Posted on 14 December 2017, 15:17 UTC by:   CDub7888    PM
Score +43
I can't help but think that tk is very bitter the more I read his work.
Posted on 14 December 2017, 15:53 UTC by:   werty101    PM
Score +139
@The Cheiftan
The author is most likely basing this off on revised Japanese history books, so you can't expect too much.
Posted on 14 December 2017, 18:01 UTC by:   Inceptor57    PM
Score +108
@werty101
Some bits of Midway are outdated material too.

Probably because of Mitsuo Fuchida's book, which has been discredited as an accurate account in both Japanese and American scholarship.

Anyone interested, look up Jonathan Parshall's lecture "Shattered Sword" on YouTube.

Edit:
It has been an honor and experience to read through and fact-check the historical events seen in this doujin series. I want to thank N04h for offering me this opportunity, and Herzer for dealing with all of my comments.

I do not fault the author at all for the discrepancies, but many historical notes such as dates and numbers were off in the original work. For example, on pg. 12 the initial statement was that USS Saratoga was torpedoed on December 12th, but it was actually done so on January 11th. I’ve combed through the work and, with the editor’s help, corrected most of the errors to now reflect more accurately on the Pacific War at this stage. I hope to continue offering my services until the finale of this series.

Also the reason I don’t really fault the author is because he’s been doing his own corrections on his webpage.

Http://Takotuboya.jp/teitoku/syuusei.html

My favorite one is the redrawing of a panel of the Midway volume that change Battleship Hiei to Haruna. Really shows the effort the artist has put to these volumes.
Last edited on 30 August 2018, 02:28 UTC.
Posted on 14 December 2017, 19:15 UTC by:   Kastev    PM
Score +248
@CDub7888

Yeah, that's nothing new. A lot of Japanese are still bitter about WW2 even though most of that generation has passed away. And have you seen their fiction about WW2 (outside of this)? 99% of it is constantly portraying America as this evil empire and Japan as this peaceful innocent nation that always defeats America in the end. I mean.. it's not like we're two allied nations with extremely strong diplomatic and economic ties now or anything. It's not like we wouldn't send our own troops to fight and die for Japanese countrymen if they came under attack because we value what our two countries have built post-WW2 or anything.

I mean what the fuck Japan. We're not the ones that allied with Hitler and wanted to take over all of Asia. And it's also funny how Japan never seems to mention their murderous and sexual escapades in China and Korea in all these WW2 wankests they love to have. Or their torture, experimentation and murder of American POW's.

Disclaimer: This is, of course, not branding the entire Japanese people but only the people that fall in line with the thought processes I outlined above, as it is "usually" extremely stupid to try and attach a label or single way of thinking to an entire race.
Posted on 14 December 2017, 20:15 UTC by:   Hyper_Shinchan    PM
Score +40
Thanks a lot to the translator, editor and whoever commissioned this.

Some notes on the translation and probable typos:
艦攻 is the abbreviation of 艦上攻撃機 and it's the Japanese term for torpedo bombers (e.g 九七式艦攻 or 九七式艦上攻撃機 is the Type 97 torpedo bomber aka "Kate"). In page 24, 39 and 40 it's translated as "fighter" (in page 24 it's pretty much evident that it's referring to torpedo bombers, that's how I noticed this ).

In page 28 I think 軍艦 should be left as "warships" instead of "capital ships", the 10:10:7 ratio of the London Naval Treaty ratio applied only to cruisers, destroyers and submarines, the old 5:5:3 ratio kept applying to the capital ships (and carriers, which were not technically capital ships in the Washington Treaty, but they were covered by its provisions).

Page 30: "you guys are winning the war was easily", I guess"was" should be omitted.

Page 31: "where should be evacuate to", I guess it's "where should we evacuate to".
Posted on 14 December 2017, 20:31 UTC by:   NDestiny    PM
Score +15
Just to say on page 53, while the name Tamon is correct name, Hiryuu always called him "Tamonmaru/Tamon-maru".
Posted on 15 December 2017, 00:53 UTC by:   mutopis    PM
Score +14
pg 20, "we were hit by American to torpedoes", should be "American torpedoes"
Posted on 15 December 2017, 01:58 UTC by:   KurtN    PM
Score +32
This doujin has more text than all the doujins I've ever read combined.
Posted on 15 December 2017, 02:43 UTC by:   avfun    PM
Score +60
I wanna add tag:world of warships
Posted on 15 December 2017, 09:45 UTC by:   mutopis    PM
Score +6
pg 31, "I thought to" I think that's "I thought so"
pg 38, "able keep control of it." should be, "able to keep control of it."
pg 39, "still had to done" should be, "still had to be done"
pg 39, "beingal most sunset" (?)
Last edited on 15 December 2017, 10:20 UTC.
Posted on 15 December 2017, 10:36 UTC by:   N04h    PM
Score +43
Corrected.
Last edited on 17 December 2017, 05:31 UTC.
Posted on 15 December 2017, 11:02 UTC by:   AbusePuppy    PM
Score +197
@Kastev

Japan still has a bit of a complex over their very-brief empire at the start of the 20th century, in no small part because the nation spent centuries isolated from the outside world building up an unchallenged fantasy of superiority. It's hard to argue that the Meiji modernization didn't do incredible things, but from that they combined it with the new philosophies of nationalism (that, it should be noted, are making a comeback again) that lead to a pretty disastrous collision course as they attempted to confront other major powers head-on under essentially the same delusion as Nazi Germany, that their "superior race" would grant them victory in defiance of every possible observable factor. Even now, the country has an obsession with militarism and there are plenty of people, especially otaku, who either literally or figuratively jerk off just at the thought of tanks and warships, hence the existence of games like KanColle and anime like G&P or Gate.

America built roughly _ten times_ as many combat vessels during the course of the war as Japan, eight times as much merchant shipping, and had some ten times her opponent's industrial capacity and GDP at the start of the war- a gap that only increased as America ramped up production and Japan lost it to shortages of manpower, bombing raids, etc. Japan never had even a sliver of a chance against the USA, and even very limited martial objectives (e.g. capturing a few island chains) were a distant dream at best, as their alliance with Germany would have given the military more than sufficient excuse to retaliate against any such incursions with devastating force.

The Washington Treaty was passed largely in defense of "minor" naval powers like Russia, Germany, and Japan, not Britain or the United States. Powerful industrial nations with a large population base could afford to continually expand and update their navies without going into crippling debt- but smaller nations would quickly find themselves outpaced and forced to chose between irrelevancy and backruptcy, hence the passing of the treaty. In breaking it, they only doomed themselves to a slugging match with an opponent many times their size.

>And it's also funny how Japan never seems to mention their murderous and sexual escapades in China and Korea

Also, this. Although all of the major powers committed atrocities in the course of the war to varying degrees- including the firebombing and atomic weapons used on the Axis powers by the Allies- Japan too often likes to play the victim when history is brought up, pretending that they were the victim of aggression while denying or minimizing their own crimes during the war. Imperial Japan was explicitly a racist and expansionist nation and they ran roughshod over Manchuria and much of the Pacific Islands, killing tens or hundreds of thousands of people and committing abuses every bit as horrifying as those of the concentration camps.

Japan's romanticization of WW2 is just as bad as the American idealization of the Civil War, and is destructive for many of the same reasons. It is the clinging to a false version of the past that paints the country is a kinder light, blinding itself the possibility that it could do any wrong in pursuit of national greatness. Nationalism inevitably destroys the nation that venerates it- and usually quite quickly, too.
Posted on 17 December 2017, 02:13 UTC by:   Red_Piotrus    PM
Score +159
Just wanted to say I am impressed by the conversation here.
Posted on 17 December 2017, 03:03 UTC by:   physcoredferret    PM
Score +60
I think it's rather silly to complain about Japanese militarism when the central objective of any sovereign nation is the protection of it's own interests. Rather, anyone with even a smite of knowledge of Japanese history knows the gradual process from which the Japanese came to become hyper aggressive. It's more a case of monkey-see monkey-do then anything else.

Let's start things off with the country being forced to open itself up to trade with Perry's Expedition. Up until this point Japan had spent the last 300 years of Tokugawa rule to itself, with the occasional pirate raid on Chinese trade. Then they get a rude awakening from a foreign nation demanding open trade, the Shogunate concedes in the face of military superiority, the Emperor orders that the barbarians be expelled, certain radicals attempt to do so and the Western powers bombard Kagoshima for their audacity. The pro-imperial cliques then decide they need adopt western technology and techniques and do so in overthrowing the shogunate in the Meiji Restoration.

As they are introduced to the wider world, they quickly realise that in order to became a modern nation capable of resisting outside threats, they need resources. They also realise that all these western powers have essentially have colonised the entire region. The British in India and China, French in Vietnam, Netherlands in Indonesia, Spain/America in the Phillpines, and the encroaching Russians in the North.

Thus Japan with the advice of foreign military advisors decide to go after Korea, which is a Chinese tributary state, and manage to defeat the regional superpower, China. Immediately upon victory Germany, Russia, and France intervene and tell Japan to fuck off as they carve up pieces of China. Russia goes a step further and occupies Manchuria, builds a railway and a naval base in Port Arthur, and places large army on the border of Korea.

Japan understandably pissed, makes an alliance with Britain, where Britain will intervene on behalf of the Japanese if the Japanese ever face more then one western power. This allows the Japanese to go one-on-one with the Russians. Amazingly they defeat the Russians, however once again their victory is bitter as the Americans rush in to mediate the peace treaty, and determine that Japan only gets half the Sakhalin islands and Russia does not have to pay any war indeminities. And that Manchuria is also going to go back to China. The British then politely inform the Japanese that the Americans are an exception to the alliance.

Following this as part of the negotiations for the Washington Naval treaty, the Anglo-Japanese alliance is forced to be scrapped, and Japan only gets 60% of the Naval tonnage as the USN, despite it's belief that 70% was necessary for defence.

Japan was a mostly democratic state at this point, but over the decades the numerous military victories of the Japanese contrasted heavily with the "weak willed" Politicians that kept selling the Japanese short. In the 1920-30s militarism increased rampantly due to the humiliation suffered in these instances, much like Italy after it did not get what it was promised after WWI.
Posted on 17 December 2017, 04:21 UTC by:   zufield    PM
Score +38
I don't feel even the least bit sorry for the Japanese after the butcher job they did in China. They deserved everything they got and then some.
Posted on 17 December 2017, 04:41 UTC by:   MackDiesel    PM
Score +13
@CDub7888 a popular rumor about the author is that he tried to go legit manga and failed on some level and since them he's been doing stuff like this about popular series.
Posted on 17 December 2017, 05:36 UTC by:   N04h    PM
Score +66
@MackDiesel
It’s true, he submitted his work to publishers, but never got serialised. He worked for some (non manga) company for a while before doing doujinshi full time.

@physcoredferret
Great post.
Last edited on 30 August 2018, 08:28 UTC.
Posted on 17 December 2017, 06:08 UTC by:   Kastev    PM
Score +251
@physcoredferret

But we're talking about Japan's actions during WW2, not leading up to WW2. Nothing can excuse their actions during that war and trying to explain them is like trying to explain the Holocaust or something. The point is, is that after Japan learned about the outside world, they grew to not like the position they had in it. And so that's what led them to ally with Hitler in WW2 as he promised them that they could basically take whatever they wanted to in Asia to keep for themselves. And the amount of resources they had to gain from being able to annex say China and South East Asia could have lead them very well into becoming a world super-power able to rival Nazi Germany. Though in such an alternate history, where let's say that the Allies lost and the Axis won, you can bet for sure that either Japan or Germany would backstab the other at some point, just like how Germany did to Russia.

Anyways, back to the treatment of American POW's, because of the Japanese way of death before disgrace and the like, instead of only keeping that belief to themselves, they forced it upon their enemies as well. They considered captured POW's that didn't die in battle or by their own hand to be disgraced and treated them as such. The Japanese treated POW's worse than any other nation in WW2 by far. Even Nazi Germany treated POW's with respect for the most part. And then comes the anger from before about Japan's position in the world; they really took out that anger and frustration upon the Chinese and Korean civilians. Remember the Doolittle raids? Hell, even this doujin mentions it. Though what this doujin does not mention, is how the B-25's that went on to land/crash-land in China were searched for ferverishly by the Japanese. They burned down village after village, killed TEN THOUSAND innocent Chinese civilians, out of pure anger that America had dared strike at Japan's homeland. I remember reading about how the B-25 pilot's were so grateful for the help they received from the Chinese villagers that they gave those villagers literally everything they had on them not knowing that when the Japanese investigated and found those Western trinkets, they tortured anyone who had them in their possession.

So I'm sorry, I know these comments are starting to get long. Though I actually enjoy discussing this. Because I am not finding fault with today's Japan. I am disappointed in some Japanese people who cannot learn from history just as much as I am disappointed in my own countrymen here in America who cannot learn from history as well (and no, I'm not talking about Trump). I just do get a little... sad? Angry? Disappointed? When I read doujins/manga/fiction from Japan like this that always seem to portray America in this horribly negative light when our two countries are anything but. It would be like reading a Marvel comic about Captain America going back in time and beating up Red Coats in the Revolutionary War or something with the Red Coats all having yellow teeth, speaking in cockney accents and foaming at the mouth; basically it's a pure insult. (Please don't tell me this has actually happened or something because I will be so annoyed)
Posted on 17 December 2017, 13:14 UTC by:   Dyaus Pita    PM
Score +90
This doujin and comment section is arousing in me several boners both physically and mentally.
Posted on 17 December 2017, 16:22 UTC by:   bakudan00    PM
Score +62
@AbusePuppy

>Japan's romanticization of WW2 is just as bad as the American idealization of the Civil War

I think the more accurate similarities is with the Vietnam War. A war where the US loses but still loves to romanticized it (Even went far as "We didn't lose. Look at all the Nam's we napalmed")
Posted on 29 August 2018, 23:50 UTC by:   aleden    PM
Score +3
>As they are introduced to the wider world, they quickly realise that in order to became a modern nation capable of resisting outside threats, they need resources. They also realise that all these western powers have essentially have colonised the entire region. The British in India and China, French in Vietnam, Netherlands in Indonesia, Spain/America in the Phillpines, and the encroaching Russians in the North.

Guess that's what happens when you close off your country for multiple centuries, living on your tiny island thinking you're a powerful nation while the rest of the world that aren't closed off build legitimate empires.
Posted on 30 August 2018, 00:26 UTC by:   DarkLyghtZ    PM
Score +53
Now i'm not sure what has more text: the porn or it's comment section...
Posted on 14 September 2018, 05:02 UTC by:   encounter    PM
Score +6
> Japan was a mostly democratic state at this point, but over the decades the numerous military victories of the Japanese contrasted heavily with the "weak willed" Politicians that kept selling the Japanese short. In the 1920-30s militarism increased rampantly due to the humiliation suffered in these instances, much like Italy after it did not get what it was promised after WWI.

That's just a problem of rampant ultra-nationalists and imperial colonialists in general. Once a bunch of brave soldiers die in a war, the leaders are unwilling to admit that it was always about securing a better peace agreement. Even if those leaders are generals and admirals. It's the most immediate reason Japan got stuck in China with a war they couldn't win, but also couldn't lose unless the West intervened.

> Immediately upon victory Germany, Russia, and France intervene and tell Japan to fuck off as they carve up pieces of China. Russia goes a step further and occupies Manchuria, builds a railway and a naval base in Port Arthur, and places large army on the border of Korea.

They barely touch Chinese soil during the war. All of Korea is given to them, and they're pissed that they didn't get more?

> Amazingly they defeat the Russians, however once again their victory is bitter as the Americans rush in to mediate the peace treaty, and determine that Japan only gets half the Sakhalin islands and Russia does not have to pay any war indeminities.

They annihilated the Russian navy, but the land battles are far more even. What's better, securing their major gains, or trying to reach Moscow through Siberia in hopes of some war indemnities and Manchuria.

> Japan only gets 60% of the Naval tonnage as the USN, despite it's belief that 70% was necessary for defense.

And the USN has two oceans to defend, so Japan actually has an advantage in this case. Also, the alternative is to push the arms race even further, which Japan can't afford. They only barely managed to get the 8-8 plan funded. It takes huge portions of Japan's GDP to build the Nagato-class. But the Americans are talking about building a dozen 18"-gun battleships in the 1920s. Japan accepted a 60% ratio, because calmer heads in the IJN understood that a 60% tonnage ratio is still better than trying to match a dozen USN not-Yamato-classes.

In addition, colonialism creates a mad logic of it's own. The Western powers told the Japanese that Korea was like "a dagger pointed at the heart of Japan." So Japan need to conquer Korea to protect Japan. But now their Korean colony is vulnerable. So they need to conquer Outer Manchuria to protect Korea. Then Outer Manchuria is vulnerable, so Japan need to conquer Inner Manchuria to protect Outer Manchuria. But that just infuriates the Chinese even more. So now Japan needs to invade Shanghai to protect Inner Manchuria. But that causes an endless war that requires a million soldiers, so Japan needs American steel and oil to protect their conquests in southern China. As the war in China starts to require more than a million man army, Japan decides it needs to invade America to protect the war in China. And at that point they had totally forgotten the original reason that started all this.

Now, this isn't just a Japanese problem. It's an imperialism problem. Most of the French colonies in west Africa were taken because the local French soldiers decided they need to defend the current colony by preemptively conquering the next African kingdom over. But that just made the French colony bigger, which means they are now next to new kingdoms. The local French soldiers decide the new kingdoms are also threats, which they preemptively conquer, which causes them to be next to more kingdoms, which causes them to preemptively conquer, again and again and again. It only ended when the local French soldiers discovered that the next kingdom over was already subject to the British empire.

Finally, we need resources and markets for our industries is typical imperialist talk. All the western colonialists were pumping out thousands of publications about how they need resources and markets to keep up with their rivals long before Japan jumped on the bandwagon. As modern Japan shows, you don't need to conquer a bunch of resources to become rich or safe. You just need to avoid going to war with your main suppliers. Japan probably needed to beat Russia to get a supplier that didn't want to go to war with them. But the "need" for Manchurian resources is blatant propaganda from the IJA publications. History has shown that Japan doesn't need Manchurian resources if they are at peace. And Manchurian resources aren't enough if they are at war with China.

In the end, when Japan absorbed Western industrialization, Japan couldn't avoid absorbing Western imperialism, colonialism, and racism. It's not surprising that they took in all the bad parts of the West. It's just tragic, because they could have been superior to the West. But when they adopted all that was good in the West, they also adopted all that was evil, too.

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