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Posted on 24 November 2022, 04:01 by:   KEYLUN    PM
Uploader Comment
https://www.pixiv.net/users/9732414

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每天大量更新/Massive update every day

https://e-hentai.org/uploader/KEYLUN
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Q群被炸,轉戰TELEGRAM
(中文限:做種&補種&交流) :https://t.me/+-Pwn49-d7uQxN2M1
Posted on 28 October 2022, 22:58 by:   qpu5    PM
Score +12
这是ai作画?
Posted on 28 October 2022, 23:00 by:   HHZaa    PM
Score +25
看下38张,那个腿两面了,肯定是ai
Posted on 28 October 2022, 23:02 by:   freeFjjg    PM
Score +9
这ai a的不错
Posted on 28 October 2022, 23:05 by:   GLKnight    PM
Score +105
"Look, mommy! I'm an ARTIST!"

If you're gonna draw art, DRAW FUCKING ART. AI Art is for little bitches who think they can be better than people who actually pick up a stylus or a pencil by typing in a few words that trawl the internet for pictures to approximate what you want. It's lazy, pretty terrible and more than a little insulting to others.

And I know I'm going to get downvoted to Hell for it, but I have to be honest. AI Art is a fucking bullshit workaround from admitting you're jealous of fucking artists without actually admitting it.
Posted on 28 October 2022, 23:25 by:   Vanz/452    PM
Score +67
Dang, so butt hurt.
I don't know, maybe no one is jealous and only want to see a piece of art of their favorite character that may never exist any other way and share it with others..
Posted on 28 October 2022, 23:47 by:   huhtech    PM
Score +80
Artists are amazing. They dedicate their time to creating a unique style and sensibilities.

Nobody lives forever, so time is limited. It's simply a way to reduce the time needed to approximate what exists inside the brain and put it on paper.

Now someone pretending their AI creations are the result of hard work - sure, that would be an insult. But that isn't everyone, or an inherent property of AI art.
Posted on 29 October 2022, 01:11 by:   Boobzealot    PM
Score +285
I don't object to AI images in themselves, although a lot of them are really badly rendered. What I object to is how it's drowning out all the genuinely good artwork on Pixiv that talented artists spend hours creating, and now it's driving many artists away from Pixiv (Belko is a good example).
Posted on 29 October 2022, 01:27 by:   momo-1    PM
Score +11
手画不好,是ai无误(狗头)
Posted on 29 October 2022, 02:46 by:   tianji233    PM
Score +19
P61凭空生屌,是ai无误了
Posted on 29 October 2022, 03:33 by:   Bess50    PM
Score +16
完了我的xp要被ai猜透了
Posted on 29 October 2022, 05:34 by:   Aradiaaaa    PM
Score +129
Oh come on, AI suck
Posted on 29 October 2022, 17:51 by:   kuroleilei    PM
Score +13
虽然是AI但是还是可以冲的
Posted on 29 October 2022, 18:01 by:   KEYLUN    PM
Score +38
@Bess50

不是ai猜透你
是作者性癖和你差不多

@GLKnight

Has the author ever told anyone that I am an artist when I paint with AI?
People share pictures made with ai on pixiv
never said that used AI to sell
never said he was an artist
People just use AI to express the sexual fetish they want to express

@Boobzealot

In fact, pixiv has decided to classify ai pictures in a special area

ai作畫是作者癖好的交流
是讓不懂畫圖的人表達自己所想的橋樑
只要不是要來買賣賺錢我是不明白ai畫圖有什麼問題
影響色圖收集?我並不覺得我收集完人畫的就不能收集ai畫的
相反亦是
色圖看的不是應該看合不合自己口味?
Last edited on 29 October 2022, 18:37.
Posted on 29 October 2022, 18:54 by:   mobidixx    PM
Score +103
@ KEYLUN

I think people are assuming that you are trying to say its not AI pictures because you uploaded it as a image set and not misc.

That's my impression at least.

As far as I understand currently AI drawings go under misc for now. There was a discussion on the forms about it and a mod said that it goes under misc and people have been using that for AI drawings. There have been many AI drawing image sets that have been reclassified to misc already.
All of this is very new though and the wiki was not updated I think. I am sorry that people are putting bad intentions on you.
Last edited on 30 October 2022, 02:33.
Posted on 30 October 2022, 02:15 by:   KEYLUN    PM
Score +60
@mobidixx

I just choose according to the definition written by WIKI
And I basically passed the picture first IMAGE SET and then people voted to change it

Image Set
Drawn content that does not constitute a comic or cg set (e.g. loose images, screenshots, image dumps, etc.)
Images within such galleries are preferred to have a singular theme (e.g. singular artist, series, character, or fetish).

Miscellaneous
For materials that don't fit into any of the other categories. This includes:

3D content
Non-pornographic western content
Real life objects (figure, paperchild, real doll, etc.)
Game manual, strategy guide, guidebook, walkthrough, and game magazine
Heavily mixed content wherein no other category can be considered correct
GP earned is reduced to 25% of what an uploader would usually receive.
Posted on 03 November 2022, 02:02 by:   hxs17824928696    PM
Score +11
现在连色图都能ai了吗
Posted on 24 November 2022, 06:43 by:   Aradiaaaa    PM
Score +30
Damn, people arguing up there 🗿

Don't mind me if I steal it 🗿
Posted on 24 November 2022, 16:06 by:   omtiton    PM
Score +28
不論你喜不喜歡
AI繪圖工具一定會繼續發展
他就跟畫筆一樣是繪圖工具
關鍵詞是由人去操作的
產出的成品也需要人去篩選修飾
最終成品的好壞還是決定在人的技巧上
無理的排斥AI繪圖
就跟那些隨便使用AI繪圖產出半成品就丟出來的人一樣是在侮辱藝術
因為在你們的想法中AI是用來取代藝術家的而不是為藝術家所用的工具
你們深深相信AI比人類藝術家強
所以你們才感到害怕
Last edited on 24 November 2022, 16:52.
Posted on 29 November 2022, 16:03 by:   l337xiong    PM
Score +68
At least they aren't charging for it. I've seen people make art sets and lock them behind Patreon and Fanbox tiers. NovelAi charges $25 a month for UNLIMITED generations and some "artists" lock their sets behind $10 tiers. If you see this happening, let people know they're getting scammed.
Posted on 29 November 2022, 23:49 by:   SBSchaos    PM
Score +9
有本事把版权什么的解决了啊
Posted on 01 December 2022, 04:57 by:   黄金骨龙    PM
Score +12
ai画作也不错,只要美
Posted on 01 December 2022, 13:28 by:   momo0923zmy    PM
Score +21
我建议各位还是先把那些抄画风还能赚钱的画师冲没了再来批判AI吧
Posted on 01 December 2022, 13:42 by:   Shock谓    PM
Score +13
怎么还有折纸战士的色图的
Posted on 01 December 2022, 13:45 by:   GreenCrow256    PM
Score +18
ai作画本质就是素材拼接,只要这玩意儿没能理解美的涵义——且不说是会变的——那ai作画就纯图一乐。图一乐而已,怎么还有人会上升到这种水平。
完全不理解科技,当成神话来信仰,跟以前认为比特币能替代货币的家伙一样。
比特币最大的作用就是在黑市和逃税上(至于炒币价和所有的期货一样,不过是另一种泡沫经济),ai的作用也只是方便没有专业技能的人。
ps.不同的ai作画训练偏向不一样,这个画廊的明显是人体结构方向的其他还有色彩、真实等不同的训练方向。具我的查证目前用的上色和光影算法应该都早在2000年左右就发表了,ai的作用是重新对人体进行构图描线。ai的发展并没有那么快,只不过是前置的算法发展充足,语音识别这种最好的ai载体都还没有大的阶段进步呢。现在ai作网页素材还行,真正创作还是不够用的
Posted on 01 December 2022, 15:07 by:   漫遊者    PM
Score +16
AI繪圖發展是事實不是ai不好,但是有些手都不會修說自己是畫師就很可笑了
,拿前人努力結晶當自己的,真是很不要臉,拿來販賣就是缺乏道德。
Posted on 02 December 2022, 00:49 by:   KEYLUN    PM
Score +55
@漫遊者 @GreenCrow256
你說得對
如果把Ai圖拿來販賣 商用我覺得抵制是沒問題
但其實Pixiv很多就只是用pivix分享自己用ai繪圖而成,附合自己癖好的圖而己
而我就只是覺得他的圖對中我口味所以分享

Ai繪圖成長現在還算初步
出缺點很正常(像之前不懂吃面)
但隨著吸收的越多就越會有改進
Posted on 02 December 2022, 06:55 by:   漫遊者    PM
Score +22
如果導致以後大家都不學畫了,那以後都只能看這種圖了,沒人要學要不然難道要自己來嗎?
學畫要畫得好少說要好幾年,還不一定學得好,那以後漫畫誰畫,怎麼會有新血或新作品?
用ai拼貼嗎慘喔,沒有前途的工作誰要學?,還是你要自己來?所以不是甚麼批評ai是為了繪畫環境著想,
Posted on 03 December 2022, 21:09 by:   KEYLUN    PM
Score +49
@漫遊者

老老實實AI圖出來了一會你還沒看懂AI圖最多能做什麼嗎?
AI最多就只能展現創作者想表達的單圖
但不能連續做出完全相同的人物
不能完全按創作者構想去展現任何身體姿勢
也沒有自己一套獨特的畫風

但畫畫不同
人物外表 姿勢 能任由畫師控制
每個畫師都有一個自己的風格
人人也懂AI繪圖時AI繪圖就會變得不值錢
這時才更顯出出色畫師的價值

漫畫創作和AI繪圖是只有互相配合
現在PIXIV玩AI的大部份是玩樂性質
甚少是繪畫技術+AI去創作
所以大眾覺得AI圖只會生出毫無特色的圖
但AI繪圖出來確實是能令漫畫家減少工作量
例如靠他們幫忙生成 設計一些虛幻背景底圖
弄一些一次性用途的環境 人物
各種飲品小食的外觀設計
AI繪圖只是工具
是看使用者怎發揮其長處

還有
AI色圖分享看的不是畫風
是看設計者弄了什麼人物
創作者想表達他內心什麼癖好
是性癖的交流
Posted on 05 December 2022, 05:59 by:   幻世斩天    PM
Score +27
“素材的拼接“,算了吧,不就是学会汉语自己造句么。。难不成你以为画师每一个都要从画笔算起每一步行为和rgb色彩图谱全部自己发明啊?
说到底还不是素材的拼接,天下文章一大抄罢了。。
版权的出现代表着资本主义的出现,资产阶级获得了垄断的法律依据。。。
大家都是平民,就别整什么这些脑袋不跟屁股走的东西了,
毕竟,网络空间的数据分享在资本主义本就是非法的,日本acg最喜欢强调限量限时了,无论啥玩意都整个xx限定标签。。
就单说这个画画,微博那些神奇的画师和小鲜女,那交易对话是让我这个十年的女性向游戏玩家觉得无语。随便一张烂图都几百上千,小鲜女也算是遇到天敌了,一边付离谱价格,一边搁哪一口一个太太牛逼,吃大亏也得咬碎了牙往嘴里吞。
有些画师是真的离谱,微博绘圈是个代表。中低端的也能四位数起步,最新的相关话题就是17万一张图吧。
以前看过一个知乎批斗一个强大画师一张图里细节内容太多,导致不知道在画什么的话题。
那图是真的离谱,细节复杂到需要你每一处都要放大几倍才能明白他在那地方画了多少东西。
但一张画面实际上就一个主体人物,身上和背景的细节装饰看的眼睛疼。
和我以前看的hand shakers一样,眼睛不知道放在那。
现在我忘记那话题叫什么了,可以搜搜“追求极致细节的画师”,搜出来的没有那么离谱,不至于一张图一个人物占八成高度,结果背景和身体,正常手机屏幕放大后,图的每厘米都有一两个物品/元素。。叠在一起人在哪里都看不清,要花几分钟才能看出来角色在做什么动作。。
那是几年前在贴吧首页偶然刷到的转帖。现在是找不到了。
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ai绘图的创作性其实是挺高的,看你能整出来什么样的素材库和关键词了,我看的不是很多。
因为是素材库元素按照指定重凑,所以会非常适合古神旧日天使山海经等老东西里提到的那些奇怪物体的创作,偶然刷到了b站视频,ai创作的古神合集。。那些奇怪的天体怪兽,旧约以前的怪物们。。。只能说很合适。
Posted on 08 December 2022, 00:14 by:   sd4819660    PM
Score +15
真就量大管饱
Posted on 08 December 2022, 01:40 by:   KEYLUN    PM
Score +53
@幻世斩天
詞匯生成是最簡單同時是最低級的Ai繪圖用法
也是Pixiv的人最多的玩法(記住是玩法)
因為創作者無需任畫功就能創作出圖片
所以現正值Ai繪圖的起步早期出事圖也相對多
但懂畫圖的就會將ai繪圖當成輔助工具
例如先起草稿+詞匯生成
再進行手繪修正

另外Ai繪圖中詞匯生成能也是一個特別的玩法
因為他是靠一堆字串組合而成
所以能起易作出各種合成獸
例如你能弄出一個小莫+斯卡哈外表的人物
Posted on 18 January 2023, 19:30 by:   NNnothing    PM
Score +15
ai越来越合胃口了
Posted on 17 February 2023, 04:50 by:   drewaup    PM
Score +2
这是ai?不得不说时代进步的真快啊xdm
Posted on 01 March 2023, 23:39 by:   alsia0410    PM
Score +6
看起來是真人福利姬如果只賣圖會很難混了
優勢的地方大概只剩下能約出去那個而已吧
Posted on 02 March 2023, 02:15 by:   roya235    PM
Score +4
图二经典四指
Posted on 27 May 2023, 11:28 by:   abc草米马    PM
Score +6
卧槽,没想到在这里能看见日月同错的色图!

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