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Ugly bastard with a stable job vs Incest with Rito? Only one of those is good for society and the gene pool. So it gets my seal of approval.

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Part 1: https://e-hentai.org/g/1309533/e55abd7465/
Part 2: You are here.

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@knyghtx Not to be that guy, but one generational incest wouldn't do much bad compared to normal couples, unless their parents suffer recessive disorder of some kind. Actually there are DNA researches prove that incest is much more common than many think. So strictly, even if she would end up with Rito, it's very unlikely for their kid(s) having genetic flaws. Of course, generations of inbreeding is another story.

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@Turlessjk As far as i know it is a game of roulette, if a baby happen to get two copies of important non redundant defective genes it is screwed. Say you have 1 of 2 working copies of a gene of an important protein and your sister is the same, you can get 2 working ones, 1 and 1 or two defective copies. It is not a death sentence but it does increase risk a lot. As far as i know incest has never been particularly favored because most tribes learnt that at some point, weird things begin happening. If you mean cousins incest that's normally far enough that it would take a lot of time to cause inbreeding.

Also all humans carry recessive diseases otherwise incest wouldn't do anything at all in any case. If two person with perfect DNA mated incestuously and their children did the same forever, barring mutation all their children would be always healthy.

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@knyghtx https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2024/03/dna-tests-incest/677791/
The research examined DNA samples in UK. Unfortunately you have to pay to read this one. But basically it suggests that incest is much more common than we might have thought AND the defect rate in children born from incestuous relationships is not that significantly high compared to ordinary couples, ASSUMING it's one generational incest. The incest relationships in this research primarily focused on parent-child, and siblings relationships. So it's reasonable to deduce that cousin marriages are much safer bet, which explains why in some regions cousin marriages were not that big of a deal.

As you've mentioned, it's a game of roulette because people carry recessive diseases. If one generation of incestuous relationships are to be condemned because of increased risk of conceiving genetically flawed, it's also logical to ban late-age pregnancy which increases the risk just as much. If one generational incest were to pose a significant threat to well-being of their babies, the individuals involved should also consider never leaving offspring to begin with given predominant recessive inheritance run in their family tree.

To sum it up, one generation of incest? Not that different from normal couples. Generations of inbreeding? That's where we should draw lines as far as genetic concerns go.

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@Turlessjk below is a direct quote from the article. Also as pointed in the article the samples were collected from people alive not counting miscarriages and infant deaths.

"But in the past, healthy children born from incestuous unions would have never come to the attention of doctors. As widespread DNA testing has uncovered orders of magnitude more people whose parents are brother and sister or parent and child, it’s also shown that plenty of those people are perfectly healthy. “There is a large element of chance in whether incest has a poor outcome,” according to Wilson, the geneticist. It depends on whether those runs of homozygosity contain recessive disease-causing mutations. All of us have some of these runs in our DNA—usually less than 1 percent of the genome in Western populations, higher in cultures where cousin marriage is common. But that number is about 25 percent, Wilson said, in people born from first-degree relatives. While the odds of a genetic disease are much higher, the outcome is far from predetermined."

Fetishes are completely fine but let's not try to fool ourselves ok?

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@knyghtx You happen to have missed the quote where it also states, "As widespread DNA testing has uncovered orders of magnitude more people whose parents are brother and sister or parent and child, it’s also shown that plenty of those people are perfectly healthy." Also, as suggested in the article we have to take into account there are far more samples hidden in the plain sight but unidentifiable due to watermark effect.

Regardless, your point is reasonable. Genetically speaking first relatives inbreeding, even for one generation, does increase the likelihood of the unfortunate outcome. Though as Wilson suggested, "the outcome is far from predetermined." For example, if siblings' mother is a carrier of a harmful recessive allele but father is not, assuming the chance of inheriting the recessive is 50%, there is a high probability that their babies will be born affected, IF the recessive allele was passed down on both siblings. But if only one of siblings has inherited the recessive allele, then their babies would be perfectly healthy, no matter how high the average probability of the affected between first degree incest may be.

All in all, the probability of babies born defected from first incestuous relationships vary greatly, from none to absurdly high. And everything falls down to whether it's identifiable or not, which is why genetic testing would be extremely important for the incestuous couples.

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@Turlessjk you must take into perspective some things, for example a random quote about cancer I found "Smoking increases the likelihood of stomach cancer by 61 percent." Now compare that to the 25% percent homozygosity mentioned in the article. The article also mentions "While the odds of a genetic disease are much higher" with that I would surmise the risk of genetic diseases would be at best 25 times higher the normal population and that is only if the relationship between homozygosity and disease is linear.

So while you can have healthy kids from incest, the odds are not really worth it. I guess if someone really wanted to, the best would be a non natural pregnancy with IVF and checking the viability of zygotes. Anyway, in my opinion in the recklessness scale, i would put making incestuous babies at around doing hard drugs during pregnancy.

From another study:
"Twenty-nine children of brother-sister or father-daughter matings were studied. Twenty-one were ascertained because of the history of incest, eight because of signs or symptoms in the child. In the first group of 21 children, 12 had abnormalities, which were severe in nine (43%). In one of these the disorder was autosomal recessive. All eight of the group referred with signs or symptoms had abnormalities, three from recessive disorders. The high empiric risk for severe problems in the children of such close consanguineous matings should be borne in mind, as most of these infants are relinquished for adoption."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7131177/

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@knyghtx Your argument is sound, and I stand corrected in my initial claim the defect rate in first-degree incest couples are not as hazardous compared to normal people. I must have been ill-informed or confused the data with third degree cousin incestuous relationships.

Having said that, The study you cited is from 1982 and has a too small sample size of just 29 children. More recent and comprehensive studies show a different picture.

A 2018 study published in Nature Communications analyzed the genomes of roughly 450,000 individuals from the UK Biobank. It found that approximately 1 in 3652 are the offspring of second-degree relatives or closer. This prevalence is much higher than we thought, suggesting many incestuous offspring are living normal lives undetected. Another 2021 study in the Journal of Genetic Counseling examined roughly 250 cases of incest reunion. It found that while the risk of congenital abnormalities was indeed elevated (32% compared to 2-3% in the general population), 68% of offspring were without detectable abnormalities.

You mentioned cancer risk analogies. But late age pregnancy increases the risk of autism in offspring by 28%. Yet, we don’t stigmatize it, rather we encourage and support their commitment. Moreover the 25% homozygosity you mentioned doesn’t directly translate to a 25-fold increase in genetic diseases. Many homozygous regions are benign. The actual increase in risk varies widely depending on the specific genetic makeup of the individuals involved.

And let's also consider an ethical dilemma. If we ban incestuous reproduction due to increased genetic risks, should we also ban reproduction for couples with known genetic disorders or simply born inheriting recessive traits, since the risks of flawed offspring would be exceptionally high? How about late age pregnancy?

The risk from incest, while certainly high, isn’t as astronomical as often we're led to believe. And with genetic testing, these risks can be mitigated.

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incest bros.... we lost so hard.... again....

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@Turlessjk The problem with banning people who carry negative recessive traits from having kids is that currently that includes all people in the planet... so yeah... Late age pregnancy I agree should be discouraged for many reasons from health of the mother, to viability, to generalized cost in public health spending. As for autism, I honestly don't know what to say, a lot of people in the spectrum are incredible people, some hyper focused in science and math thus improving humanity. As for people proven to be carrying hereditary diseases, honestly it is the same as what I said for potential incest couples, they should use contraceptives and go IVF and only implant healthy zygotes. Otherwise they are just being assholes to their kids.

"Surprise kid! You inherited a disease that will kill you when you turn 30 btw..." *Says suddenly falling dead not realizing he just turned 30.*

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Generally hate NTR, but this lacks all the humiliation and degredation. So it's more like cheating. And even then Rito and Mikan weren't in a relationship anyway so its more like hypnosis.

Either way that was a hot build up.

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