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@Josh, agree, saw it end at page 13 and was like "...dude"

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Wait... what happened to Al's tail?

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Wow... Alphonse was groomed fucking HARD...

No wonder this kid needed therapy.

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@Boss Tigger Oh crap you're right, his tail is half the length of his tail when he was 18... Crap, we're getting dark here huh

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@D-puffel
this is the anti-deffinition of groomed you derp.
She never did anything to him besides being his teacher before this moment. Kid had a crush on her because she was prob one of the very few ppl treating him with decency so of course little teenager boy brain got confused, hard.

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Not to mention he was at least a little bit drunk on that beer he had.

I'm really worried over the tail thing. What happened to it?

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@Onyxia1986

This is an adult that gained the trust and affection of a minor from the position of an authority figure, then showed up with alcohol (before he was legal to drink) the day he reached the legal age of consent for sex. She then took advantage that he was in an emotionally unstable condition and had sex with him. After this, he experiences anxiety and depression; of which he has to go to therapy to work through.

Besides this almost being the exact textbook definition of grooming ("Sexual grooming is the action or behavior used to establish an emotional connection with a vulnerable person – generally a minor under the age of consent[1][2] – and sometimes the victim's family,[3] to lower their inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse.[4][5] It can occur in various settings, including online, in person, and through other means of communication.[6] Children who are groomed may experience mental health issues, including "anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress, and suicidal thoughts."), it's also a mirror of what happens when Bojack Horseman (from the excellent Bojack Horseman show) grooms penny who, at 17; was of the legal age of consent in Texas. It's is correctly presenting as grooming and wrong there with similar consequences, and it's clearly what's happened here.

I'm pretty much fine with anything porn wise as long as it's drawn or all parties are capable of giving consent, but looking at a story that clearly presents something harmful and not being able to recognize that thing would actually be harmful if it weren't fantasy is concerning.

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"neuron activation" good to have a chuckle with my fap.

Also, D-puffel, I noticed you completely gloss over the tail end of that definition is "with the objective of sexual abuse" as it is clearly established that was not her objective. She understood how weird it looked and only planned on dropping the booze off then leaving, and even violently recoiled in embarrassment when he tried to kiss her. This isn't grooming, it's a very inappropriate pity fuck.

Harmful? Yes. Probably ended up causing quite a bit of trauma? Judging by his present day reaction, yes. Grooming? No.

It really trivializes grooming and the things people who were groomed go through when you present literally any affection from a minor to an adult as grooming. It also creates an unhealthy social dynamic in where adults are afraid to support younger people for simple fear of being accused as groomers. Like God forbid she be nice to a student who is constantly bullied and rejected by his peers, right?

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@ineednoname

This is actually exactly the situation that is the crux of the conflict in Bojack Horseman and another show called "A Teacher". Both shows feature main characters that don't have any real "intent" when going through the actions that prepare their respective minors for sex when they become legal. Both main characters, like our Teacher here, are aware of the negative optics surrounding the objective actions that they're performing. They are able to rationalize it away because they don't "intend" to do anything with the minor they're getting very close to, so it must be okay.(?)

There is another reading to be had here from how vehemently Agatha is asserting her honest intent when "delivering a six-pack for his eighteenth birthday". She is literally aware that the actions she's taking would be creepy if somebody were observing her thinking she intended to have sex with the child she was going to see (we are). She knows that, if she were going there to have sex with Alphonse; what she is doing would be wrong. Does that cause her to reconsider taking alcohol to this underage person? Does it stop her from going to the party at all? No. Why? Because she knows that she isn't the kind of person who would do that.

Except she is.

She knew EXACTLY what was happening the entire time it was happening. At every step of the process she was able to objectively analyze the optics of her actions against the idea of potential grooming. This was ALWAYS a thing that was on her mind, which throws a wrench in the idea that she never "intended" anything to happen. Basically: I'm saying she'd thought about it too much prior to the act happening for her to be able to say that this all just snuck up on her; that she didn't have time to consider her actions. She did. We see her do it in real time. It didn't change anything.

This is close to what happens in Bojack; but it is (oddly) almost exactly what happens in A Teacher. In that show, A 32 year old teacher offers to personally tutor a 17 year old boy she's fond of whose struggling in one of her classes. The film goes out of its way to demonstrate that there's no real plan or intent on the teachers behalf; but they grow closer and closer as the movie progresses. She drives him around, takes him to college tours, attends a frat party with him at one of these college tours; and the night the boy turns 18 he enthusiastically asks to have sex with the teacher and they both go for it. Throughout the experience, she is hyper aware of the optics of what they are doing, but she's able to rationalize it away because she doesn't "intend" to sleep with the boy.

Flash cut to a decade later. The Boy returns to her after ten years absence and accuses the (former) teacher of grooming him. She initially apologizes for sleeping with him (because of how badly it screwed him up after he left for college), but doesn't understand why the boy felt he was groomed (because she never intended any of what happened). The boy then explains to her: She was the adult. She knew she shouldn't have offered to tutor him (because she was attracted to him). She knew it was wrong to drive him around and get to know him so intimately (because she knew he didn't know any better). She knew that she shouldn't have been going to parties with him, and she damn well knew that he was eventually going to ask her for sex.

Agatha KNOWS. THAT should be the bar for intent here.

Groomers are, unfortunately, not monsters. They're people; capable of rationalizing and ignoring the context of their actions right up to and through the consequences of those actions. We don't convict people of grooming because we have video evidence of them rubbing their hands together and whispering "I'm gonna go fuck this freshly ripened child" to themselves. We are able to do so because we know that these people know better.

Again: I'm fine with everything in this comic because I'm able to recognize this as fantasy. I'm starting to worry that isn't something a lot of people here are completely able to grasp, though.

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@D-puffel but there was none of that prior to this encounter. Everything was strictly casual. She never flirted, showed attraction, it never established that she felt any attraction, and never asked to join (he invited her) it literally wasn't until she was approaching the door that she realized it was weird, and by that point simply leaving would have been the wrong choice. The correct thing would have been to just drop off the beer apologize, make an excuse, and leave but simply not showing up would have been a bad thing to do. There was never any motive, and never even any thought or realization until AFTER he was of age. She made very clear in her rejection that she is married and intended to honor that (and would have, if not for the pity). Even the beer thing of "rationalizing it away" wasn't that. She didn't "rationalize away" delivering beer because she would have been like "oh it's fine I'm just delivering beer" it was a dawning. It dawned on her "oh shit, this is kinda weird I should probably just drop it off and dip rather than hang out." She didn't make excuses, or dismiss it. She actively planned to dip until she saw how lonely he was and decided dipping could cause problems. Again, poor decision, but not indicative of grooming.

Literally nothing happened until he was of age. No thought, no rationalizing the actions away, no flirting, no affection. Literally nothing from her or by her until he was already of age. If he hadn't been abandoned by his "friends" literally nothing would have ever happened. They are just victims of circumstance, and circumstance does not apply logic retroactively. By that logic anyone who pity fucks someone on their 18th birthday is a groomer.

Unless grooming happens retroactively, this is not grooming.

Also, just to point out the establishment of a purely platonic relationship pre-18th birthday:

She had to tell him her name, implying he didn't know her very much on a personal level.
She also assumed he partied all the time and was surprised to find out he never drank before (to which her implying being an alcoholic and drinking while they talked likely contributed to the bad decision of a pity fuck), implaying she did not know him very much ok a personal level.

They did not have a personal relationship beyond student and teacher. Even to console him all she could say was his friends were bad students and assholes and he was her favorite student. She didn't pay him any personal compliments that could be misconstrued as seduction in any way. He likely had a crush on her, but a minor having a crush on a teacher does not qualify as grooming and is incredibly common.

Last edited on 05 February 2025, 19:49.

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People having philosophical arguments and I'm just wondering if she's a Futa.

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Lol I doubt it. I've been following this since chapter 1 and Richard was his first time "with a guy" and he was nervous. I know futa and guy aren't synonymous, but if your actual first time was with a futa, once you realized the attraction to any specific male then being a guy wouldn't make you nervous.

You know that old saying "there's no such thing as chicks with dicks, just guys with tits"? I don't agree with that, but it wouldn't be too inaccurate to relate a guy to a futa without tits lmao

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All I'm saying is if you put the list of Agatha's actions in front of a review board in real life; that list would look identical to somebody who, at best, got fired for abusing their position to have sex with somebody they shouldn't have (even if we agree that there was no real "intent" on her part here). A serious critique of these character's relationship would question that, at least.

People are free to think what they want (of course), and clearly everybody reading this is having a good time (me included), but I think I would be fine dying on the unpopular hill that "Teacher who brings alcohol to depressed / under-aged / barely legal student, then proceeds to cheat on her husband by engaging in various sex acts with said student" is probably a genre that should stay strictly fantasy.

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这可真是爱情长跑啊。。。已经第七部

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Are they back in the present in the last few pages?

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