FFS who tagged this as futanari instead of shemale?

check the tag definition:
cock&balls but no vagina -> shemale

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Know_The_Difference#Dickgirls

Futanari - Penis with a vagina still present (may not be visible). Assumed when genital area (aside from penile) is not shown.
Shemale - Penis and testicles present, no vagina. Assumed when testicles are shown whilst a vagina is not.

Testicles are shown on the first pages and none of the character has a visible vagina. And no, only what is actually depicted in the gallery counts as far as tagging is concerned. Please learn to tag guys.

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No, futanari is correct at the time of this post: we don't see enough of the genital area(specifically the area between the penis and anus) to conclude shemale.

the definition does need some refinement.

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The characters of this author are futanari if we can consider other works that take place in the same universe.

I never had seen an official response for this type of issue.

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>No, futanari is correct at the time of this post: we don't see enough of the genital area(specifically the area between the penis and anus) to conclude shemale.

This is specifically addressed in the tag definition and on the "know the difference" page I linked to and cited. We see a dick and balls, but no vagina - on none of the characters. And no, what's depicted in other galleries is irrelevant. Tags don't carry over. futanari/shemale are visual tags, artists "intention" is irrelevant here.

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@krautbernd

As the creator of this post, I can confirm that both of these characters are in fact futanari.
Example 1) https://e-hentai.org/g/2051064/ea362f5e0f/
Example 2) https://e-hentai.org/mpv/2300891/d1cb1cda4c/#page31
Example 3) https://e-hentai.org/mpv/2300891/d1cb1cda4c/#page126
Example 4) https://e-hentai.org/g/1875082/a95b3ca6d9/?p=1

Trust me when I say that the futanari vs. shemale confusion is a pet peeve of mine.
Please do your research before making accusations.

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>As the creator of this post, I can confirm that both of these characters are in fact futanari.

Please point me to the page of this gallery where any of the characters is depicted as having a vagina. Again, futanari and shemale are visual tags - only what's present in the actual gallery counts. Nor do tags magically carry over from one gallery to another. A character depicted with big breasts in one gallery but with small breasts in another doesn't get tagged with both - only with what is actual depicted in the gallery in question.

And the character in question is depticted with cock&balls and without a vagina. Hence shemale, not futanari. The whole point of visual tags is to describe what's actually visible in the gallery.. Tags don't cater to author's intent or uploader's wishful thinking.

See also https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Contextual#Information_Sources

>The information used to tag should always be based solely on the contents of the images in the gallery itself.

Example: Character is depicted as being hairy and tagged as such in other gallery. Character in gallery in question only gives blowjob, pubic area is never depicted. Character is not tagged as "hairy".
Example: Character is depicted as futanari in other gallery and tagged as such. Character in gallery in question only gives blowjob. Character is not tagged as futanari.
Example: Character is depicted as having vagina and dick&balls in other gallery. Chracter is tagged as futanari. Character in gallery in question is only depicted with dick&balls. Character is tagged as shemale.

Because only things that are actually drawn and depicted in a gallery are tagged. Things that are missing do not get tagged. And the characters in question are missing a vagina, because the author didn't draw them with one, hence the gallery gets tagged as "shemale".

On another note, "sole female" is also mistagged, I don't think I need to point out why.

Last edited on 22 September 2022, 19:01.

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According to the guide you listed: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Know_The_Difference#Dickgirls
"Futanari - Penis with a vagina still present (may not be visible). Assumed when genital area (aside from penile) is not shown."
Jade's genital area is not shown yet a boner is shown on page 47. Therefore it meets the criteria for the futanari tag.

If you want to also include the shemale tag for Allison, fair play.
From a usage standpoint I prefer all content that contains futanari to have the futanari tag so that the correct audience can enjoy it. I suggest the standards regarding this be adjusted.

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>Jade's genital area is not shown yet a boner is shown on page 47. Therefore it meets the criteria for the futanari tag.

That's a boner and testicles under clothing buddy, so no, this doesn't qualify either.

I have gone through about a third of lewdua's galleries by now and oh boy do people fail at tagging.

>From a usage standpoint I prefer all content that contains futanari to have the futanari tag

I do too, that's why it's mistagged here, as is the case with a significant number of lewdua's other galleries.

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Lets us actually parse the wiki entry:

First up

Futanari: first sentence: "Penis with a vagina still present (may not be visible)." that is true for this gallery, we don't see a vagina, nor do we see the area where the vagina would be
second sentence: "Assumed when genital area (aside from penile) is not shown." This is the awkwardly worded one, the bolded bit is ambiguous, I read it as seeing the penis doesn't negate the assumption of the subject being a Futanari. we need a clear view of where the vagina should be.

now the shemale definition:
"Penis and testicles present, no vagina." We do see testicles on one character.
"Assumed when testicles are shown whilst a vagina is not. " I interpret this as meaning we need to clearly see the testicles and the absence of a vagina. because the futanari definition carries the assumptions on it.

we don't parse the two on their own merits, we need to parse both. We don't have enough visual evidence to make a up/down declaration: frustratingly both tags are technically valid for this gallery. The current definition in the wiki can be simplified: Dickgirls are assumed to be futanari unless we clearly see the absence of a vagina.

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Yes, please let us actually parse the wiki entries, shall we?

>Futanari
>Notes: Those lacking a vagina and having testicles use the shemale tag instead (know the difference).

>Shemale:
>Notes: The inclusion of a vagina mandates the futanari tag instead (know the difference).

Characters depicted without a vagina and with testicles are tagged as shemale, characters with testicles can only be tagged as futanari if the are actually depicted as having a vagina. None of the characters in this gallery are depicted as having a vagina (i.e. no vagina is actually drawn, nor is the gential area wher the vagina is normally located drawn), but both of them are depicted as having testicles (in one case with testicles depicted under clothing). Presence or absence of vagina can only be assumed.

>Know the difference
>Futanari: Penis with a vagina still present (may not be visible). Assumed when genital area (aside from penile) is not shown.
>Shemale: Penis and testicles present, no vagina. Assumed when testicles are shown whilst a vagina is not [shown].

In cases where the presence or absence of a vagina is not actually depcited, presence of a vagina is assumed when only the penis shown. When testicles as well as a penis are shown the absence of a vagina is assumed. In the former case the character is tagged as futanari, in the latter the character is tagges as shemale. This is in line with the note regarding usage of the shemale tag above, since only the actual inclusion of a vagina (and not the lack of proof regarding it's absence) mandates tagging the character as futanari.

>I interpret this as meaning we need to clearly see the testicles and the absence of a vagina.

That's not how assumptions work. If we could "clearly see" the absence of a vagina the entire point of the "know the difference" entry would be moot. Both entries talk about what is shown and visible, not about the actual presence or absence - because as per the description this has to be assumed. We don't need to assume something if the presence has actually been shown or - as you want to read this - the absence of it has to be "clearly shown" to qualify. In that case there are no assumptions to be made because we know that the character either has a vagina or lacks it. The presence of a vagina is assumed when only a penis is shown, and the absence of a vagina is assumed when testicles as well as a penis are shown. If the presence or absence is clearly shown the point becomes moot because the presence of a vagina mandates the futanari tag as stated in the shemale tag description, while the absence mandates the shemale tag..

If we take the tag definitons as well as the "know the difference" page into account - instead of selectively reading and leaving out the parts we don't like as you do - this is not ambigous at all. In the absence of a vagina actually being drawn on a character the presence of testicles means the character is tagged as shemale and the absence of testicles means the character is tagged as futanari, because in the former case we assume the lack of a vagina and in the latter we assume the presence of one.

>The current definition in the wiki can be simplified: Dickgirls are assumed to be futanari unless we clearly see the absence of a vagina.

No, it can not, unless we disregard what the wiki actually says. As per the shemale tag page "dickgirls" with testicles (i.e. male genitals) are only tagged as futanari if they actually include a vagina (i.e. it has actually been drawn; not: lack of depiction of absence or "possible" presence of one). Hence "dickgirls" with testicles are tagged as shemale unless the presence of a vagina has actually been shown. No other interpretion of the tags is possible unless you selectively ignore what the wiki says. Going by your logic we might as well tag any depiction of a penis under clothing with "condom" because it's not clearly shown that the character in question isn't wearing one. That's simply not how visual tags work.

"Simplified":
Vagina actually drawn in genital area: futanari, regardless of testicles
>self-evident as per the tag pages

Vagina not drawn in genital area: shemale, regardless of testicles
>self evident as per futanari tag page - character lacks vagina

Vagina not visible, testicles visible: shemale (because lack of vagina is assumed)
>lack of vagina assumed as per know the difference page, lack of vagina and presence of testicles mandates shemale tag (as per futanari tag page)

Vagina not visible, testicles not visible: futanari (because presence of vagina is assumed)
>presence of vagina assumed as per know the difference page, presence of vagina mandates futanari tag as per tag description

Please stop selectively reading the wiki and stop mistagging shemale characters as futanari. You are not doing anyone a favour here and I'm honestly sick of this crap.

Update:
Official mod position on this also says "no, that's not how this works" and unsurprisingly confirms that the uploader and others are misinterpreting the wiki, see
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=107861&st=8320&p=5966540&#entry5966540

>It's just a matter of its most logical to assume, in the case it's not shown, that: balls = shemale no balls = futa. If we can't prove either way, we base it on what we can actually verify, which is the lack or inclusion of testicles, it makes no sense to do it in any other way. When vagina can't be confirmed, that's the ruling on it.

>It doesn't say anywhere that not being able to confirm the vagina when testicles present = futa.

>I can kind of see where you are coming from using the wording from know the difference if you read only the one line from futanari and nothing else, but you read that section as a whole, in conjunction with the actual definitions, the shemale line immediately clarifies it and completes the information you need to tag them. I can maybe look into rewording it a bit, but for now and for any and all avoidance of doubt:

>When vagina can't be confirmed:
>female + penis + testicles = shemale
>female + penis - testicles = futanari

Last edited on 24 September 2022, 13:02.

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Who actually gives a fuck about any of this? Shut your god damn mouths and jerk off or get out. No one wants to scroll through walls of text autistically arguing about tag definitions. Take your meds.

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The 850+ page thread needed to fix mistagged galleries apparently. None of this would be needed of people were not posting and supporting misinformation regarding tag usage.

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Ok I find myself a picky person, but this is ridiculous

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