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[おでんオーガン (ツリサス)] ぼっちで死んだ俺が美少女ナースになった話 [DL版]

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Posted on 10 January 2024, 05:12 by:   ParkerCauliflower    PM
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哥们看到就买下来了,质量非常高,喜欢且有能力的一定一定一定要去支持一下作者,太难得了太难得了
Posted on 10 January 2024, 05:52 by:   vanishing2    PM
Score +18
什么超高校级绝望
Posted on 10 January 2024, 06:29 by:   aarrtt    PM
Score +43
怎么感觉像ai。
Posted on 10 January 2024, 06:55 by:   yabaikun    PM
Score +12
画的又可爱又涩
Posted on 10 January 2024, 07:18 by:   16745786    PM
Score +14
确实看这个脸的画粉十分有AI味,当然看看细节的话又不像是AI能画出来的😵不知道是模仿AI得风格还是被AI盗的太久了,又或者模仿的画风的画师被AI盗得太久了
Posted on 10 January 2024, 07:30 by:   HibikiGo    PM
Score +26
等一个汉化
Posted on 10 January 2024, 07:41 by:   kpohgh    PM
Score +32
可能用到ai辅助作画了吧
Posted on 10 January 2024, 07:46 by:   E-100    PM
Score +23
对比以前的漫画作品,这肯定是拿ai来偷懒了而且还不少,差评
Posted on 10 January 2024, 07:59 by:   SPBOB    PM
Score +6
比較像洗腦
Posted on 10 January 2024, 08:11 by:   不见星于夜    PM
Score +5
画的好涩
Posted on 10 January 2024, 08:27 by:   ParkerCauliflower    PM
Score +178
哥们也算品鉴过不少AI作品了,本身也是设计专业出身,就目前来说鉴定AI与否大多数情况下可以看它的分镜、构图的质量以及细节节奏的处理。

绝大多数的AI作品都有细节堆满的情况,大图小图都塞满细节,而手作漫画(…)基本上都会照顾到读者的阅读节奏和作者的创作精力而在细节上省去不必要的功夫,简单举例就是该露胸的时候绝不在脚上多画一个美甲、该画过场分镜的时候绝不画满整个框…

从这一点上可以说AI漫画(用好的模型的情况下)就是全硬菜版本的满汉全席,别说吃,看着都觉得难以下筷…

且市面上的模型也基本上没法完美复刻诸如分镜框、对话泡、以及为印刷品所专门绘制的点阵/马赛克阴影这类有特定规则的画面处理方式,训练专门的模型弥补也不如直接用软件来做来得经济。更别提职业画师在这些处理上所下的功夫了,哪些画面能照顾叙事,哪些画面是读者想看的,哪些画面是作者想要表达的,在画面处理尤其是分镜上都是画师表达能力的体现。

当然,更直观的AI作画bug更不必提,冲完了的眼睛揉两揉都能看得出来一两个不正常的。不过为了冲得有仪式感而专门鉴定AI多少有点本末倒置…
而能把我上面所提问题给出优质解决方案的AI创作者,就目前的AI微调教上对训练者的能力要求来看,稍微学个一年画画也能很好地吃下这碗饭。

以上
Posted on 10 January 2024, 08:29 by:   NKYFL    PM
Score +23
支持一下吧,好看的ts类新作越来越少了,这个作者还有个附身修女的短篇大伙感兴趣的可以去看一下,剧情蛮乐的
Posted on 10 January 2024, 09:05 by:   剑逼者    PM
Score +6
看画风感觉不错。
Posted on 10 January 2024, 10:12 by:   huangjunwu    PM
Score +79
应该不是AI吧,这个作者早在AI问世之前就是这个画风,只是大多数时候他都是彩绘,黑白画的技术可能略逊一点,看了他早些的黑白同人漫画一直都是这种风格。
Posted on 10 January 2024, 10:21 by:   dabopig    PM
Score +18
不是AI 本來就長這樣
Posted on 10 January 2024, 10:27 by:   babuu1    PM
Score +11
说不定AI就是拿这位作者的作品训练的的
Posted on 10 January 2024, 11:06 by:   bule KURENAI    PM
Score -75
这就是ai,看手指就看出来了,还有就是ai构图的分镜会很明显僵硬化。这个就看得出来,喜欢做半身。
Posted on 10 January 2024, 11:19 by:   failbags    PM
Score +248
Quick summary:
Twin sister nurses, Yuna and Rina Ishikawa. Protag 32 years Midori Makunouchi (?) recently passed away, no relatives. Old doc arranges for his body to be moved to the morgue. Before the staff member leaves, he asks him, "do you like older sisters or younger sisters?"

Protag wakes up as Yuna (the older sister), recognizing her as the nurse who looked after him. He had a harsh life and smoked a lot. He remembers collapsing in his room, being carried to hospital and then gradually losing consciousness. As he inspects his new body, he hears the approaching doc coughing and quickly searches for a place to gather his thoughts. Upon encountering a guy in the restroom, he can't suppress the desires of Yuna's body. As he engages in sexual acts, Yuna's memories start to fill his mind. Using these, he successfully pretends to be Yuna, leaves the hospital and goes to his old apartment. There, the old doc appears and forces him to experience more sexual stimulus, testing if the protag can recall Yuna's age and details of her family.

The old doc is pleased by the results of his experiments. He has developed medicine that allows him to transfer the self and memories of one person into another person's body. He reveals that he doesn't have long to live, and he wants the protag to help inject the doc into the hospital director's creepy son, Kataoka. He's interested in Yuna, which should make the plan easier. For the meantime, he wants the protag to keep up appearances as Yuna. If he succeeds, he promises to help the protag get back to his own body. However, the sexual act the protag performed in restroom becomes known to other staff, including the director's son, who further spreads rumors about Yuna. Much sex ensues. The protag starts referring to himself using "watashi" instead of "ore".

The old doc confronts the protag, yelling his old name. Protag says, "I'm (watashi) Ishikawa, not Makunouchi!" but the old doc yells "Ishikawa never smoked! I told you, things that Ishikawa wouldn't do are forbidden!" because he's concerned that Yuna may get fired for all the sex. The old doc soon passes away. Protag doesn't want to go back to being himself anymore, but he feels he owes the doc and decides to help him. He's told to dispose of all the extra medicine in a secret fridge. There are many vials with different people's names on them. He decides to take them all with him.

He calls Kataoka to a love hotel and injects him with the medicine. But he quickly realizes that he made a mistake and injected Kataoka with medicine of himself, creating another copy of himself. He then goes back home, gets called a liar by little sister Rina who's heard the rumors and says Yuna has been acting like a totally different person. Protag admits to Rina that he wanted to do her since the first time he saw her, and decides to turn Rina into another copy of himself, to share the joy. Protag thinks about how he can now steal anyone's lives, and whose to steal next. The end.
Last edited on 10 January 2024, 17:04.
Posted on 10 January 2024, 11:24 by:   Hrieno    PM
Score +11
好几个动作都是ai常客,拿ai偷懒了
Posted on 10 January 2024, 11:43 by:   METTVA    PM
Score +59
新的Ai獵巫
Posted on 10 January 2024, 11:56 by:   unkyumiya    PM
Score +12
这作者一直是这个画风啊,怎么都开始鉴AI了
Posted on 10 January 2024, 13:33 by:   fllfil    PM
Score +7
作者画风就这样,某些人不要太过跳脚,现在tsf本这么少,就不要这么挑骨头了
Posted on 10 January 2024, 13:52 by:   setsuna132    PM
Score +7
주말까지 아무도 안하시면 저도 밀어요
Posted on 10 January 2024, 14:38 by:   16745786    PM
Score +6
AI应激太厉害了,有疑问正常,反正该看还是看😭,我有罪
Posted on 10 January 2024, 15:23 by:   ry_star_dit    PM
Score +5
这是 test ame啊,怎么会AI嗯造(
Posted on 10 January 2024, 15:47 by:   a60103999    PM
Score +33
應該是部份使用ai,身體陰影有時簡略有時細節多
Posted on 10 January 2024, 15:49 by:   秤亚津子    PM
Score +10
作者画风就是这样,可以去看一下作者之前的那些pixiv作品,画风基本一致,不会是AI作画,AI作画固然是个问题,但没必要这么极端
Posted on 10 January 2024, 15:57 by:   16745786    PM
Score +12
主要是凭依的桥段有点少了 不太带感
Posted on 10 January 2024, 16:38 by:   喵铃酱    PM
Score +18
好好好( ᴖ ·̫ ᴖ )
Posted on 10 January 2024, 20:20 by:   Yukikaze_SNOW    PM
Score +3
鉴al鉴的
Posted on 10 January 2024, 22:07 by:   Kalebe70    PM
Score +15
Looks like AI.
Posted on 10 January 2024, 23:32 by:   kyu7676    PM
Score +6
这本怎么会打上yuri标签的……
Posted on 11 January 2024, 03:50 by:   九舍6    PM
Score +10
Ai辅助的
Posted on 11 January 2024, 09:12 by:   SakuraPanzer    PM
Score +6
但凡点开作者以往作品就能发现这不是AI
Posted on 11 January 2024, 11:36 by:   HikariNexus    PM
Score +6
故事完成度十分之高,特别是第一页与最后一页的“在医院不要那么叫”说这句话的角色互换,以及“有什么关系,反正只有‘我们’在”之间产生的对比太棒了。
Posted on 11 January 2024, 13:24 by:   cs987987    PM
Score +71
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/114554169
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/114701932
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/115038125
冬コミ新刊の 「ぼっちで死んだ俺が美少女ナースになった話」 です。
オリジナルのTSF漫画で、本文44ページの少しダークな内容の本です。
「2日目 東K-24b おでんオーガン」 にて500円で頒布いたします。

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Posted on 11 January 2024, 18:22 by:   ashitaka_cn    PM
Score +13
虽然我也觉得是AI,但好冲就完了,怎么那么多人AI应激或者AI过敏。同一张图你不说是AI,他冲爆,你一跟他说是AI,他马上就萎了,每次冲之前还要先观察手指看看是不是AI。这是病,得治。
Posted on 11 January 2024, 22:11 by:   kelier    PM
Score +12
AI画的...哦不是?
那就AI辅助的...也没有?
他看过AI作的图...啊从没听过?
不管,妈的我难得知道个词你说不是?去你妈的吧,这世界上有AI作图,所以他就是用AI画的
Posted on 11 January 2024, 23:35 by:   JiaoTongTW    PM
Score -5
先說我覺得利用AI製圖超級沒差,這本身就是一項技術,但我認為AI作品就要知道他是AI作品

在封面的手部明顯後製補上線,稿粗細不同。也會發現手部後面的肌膚為單一色調,此為較粗糙的塗改痕跡
上網點的方式很奇怪,第1頁明顯為作者自行繪製網點,因此會發現同人物所有網點密度深淺相同,同時你也會發現同樣於第1頁也屬於灰階的瞳孔卻並非網點
但在第16頁中,網點則密度雖相同但深淺不一,更像是直接利用軟體將完成圖改為網點,而非自行繪製網點
在一本漫畫中有這種差距相當大的使用網點方式相當不合理,因為既不平衡又費工
推測前者為AI黑白完成圖,後者為AI彩色完成圖改為灰階並將亮度調高再調高對比度的成品
Posted on 12 January 2024, 00:58 by:   16745786    PM
Score -6
这下完全发现了人与人的争吵甚至完全就是AI制图大规模扩展后,观众与画师甚至产生了不信任感,毕竟AI制图扩张前压根不可能有人会去卖
产生对于是否是AI的“质疑”…现在矛盾在这反倒成了观众和观众的了或许这就是AI作为一个大型载体,人们反对不了,但是对于AI有一定意见人,还是可以怼怼的。
真没想到连外国人还有港澳台地区的也对这部有是否是AI的疑惑了。
Posted on 12 January 2024, 01:36 by:   bule KURENAI    PM
Score -15
怎么这么多人还画风不画风的,这和画风有半毛钱关系,有点基础的一眼就看得出来这明显是ai出来手动描的,有一些地方明显是ai完了去色的,眼力不行还在这反ai起来了,是就是是不是就不是。食人牙慧都食不明白。

而且这部和之前他的画法完全不一样,眼睛的画法仔细看就不是同一种画法,还说同一种画法,真的服了。他之前一直画的彩色,这一部甚至偷懒到了直接去色,有的地方去色太明显描描边就拿出来糊弄人了。就这看不明白就不知道啥眼力了。
Posted on 12 January 2024, 13:15 by:   a60103999    PM
Score +20
1.畢竟太多粗製濫造AI作品,尋找好作品要廢更多的功夫,要說有會修圖的、會調整的AI使用者,的確是,但產圖速度、產量還是被劣質品給蓋過去
要說那些手繪連AI都不如的糟糕作品當然有,但產量低沒進步或特色也很容易被市場淘汰掉,但AI的低門檻高產量保證了劣質作品有對抗市場淘汰機制的能力
2.構圖、姿勢、背景、氣勢、氛圍與一些能讓劇情演繹、演出等更生動的部分完全不如手繪作品
3.看膩,畫風有某種同質性,容易膩,像是18禁動畫鬼父,一戰成名,但後續PoRO臉多到讓觀眾倒彈,AI同理
4.版權爭議,不用再多說了,你沒法證明AI盜圖,但反過來AI也沒法洗清嫌疑
5.很多人當AI是偷懶工具,當你抱著偷懶取巧的心態時,你的創作又能好到哪裡去,最優秀的那類作品永遠都是經驗與鍛鍊累積出來的
Posted on 13 January 2024, 18:33 by:   kano2715    PM
Score +25
41页右下角两个脚都是左脚 你们可以赞我了
page.41 rightdown corner two leftfoot
画师要偷懒镜像翻转 或者直接把脚伸出画框不画 实在想不出如果是手画为什么画两个左脚
I don't care he use AI or not. But if he used AI and U say he was not.OK I'll correct U.
Last edited on 13 January 2024, 18:56.
Posted on 14 January 2024, 13:36 by:   扣扣聊几句    PM
Score +0
这个画师本来就是这个画风和他用了ai辅助有什么矛盾吗,为什么不能是他用自己的画训练了ai然后用来辅助自己🤔🤔🤔

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