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[kiasa] Hinata no Hinata + Hikage no Hikage

[kiasa] 陰日向のひなた + 陰日向のひかげ

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Posted:2016-01-25 20:09
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Posted on 25 January 2016, 20:09 by:   vnk    PM
Uploader Comment
Collects the two prequel stories to Drive Your Nightmare https://e-hentai.org/g/617238/be4da51450/ (translated)

Comic Hotmilk 2015-11 https://e-hentai.org/s/ee14b81822/872554-109
(digital https://e-hentai.org/g/871820/1bbf79bd80/)
Comic Hotmilk 2016-01 https://e-hentai.org/s/de53d5c301/897458-75

Small bonus, two illustrations kiasa drew for promotion:
https://twitter.com/kiasa_R18/status/649510664336048128
https://twitter.com/kiasa_R18/status/672361276710916097
Posted on 25 January 2016, 20:35 by:   Vivi1993    PM
Score -100
Somehow these two prequel chapters are pretty pointless. We already knew in DyN that she was trained into a sex slave with all the expected tropes.
A sequel where the Megane abandons them or gets revenge like in Kizashi would have been much more interesting in my opinion. There's not nearly enough Karma happening for stories like these.
The art is exceptional, though.

@vnk Yeah, I partially read Hentai for the stories. It's one of the reasons I prefer it over 3DPD. Ideally, I would like to have both good sex scenes / art and story, but I can accept it if there's only one of these present as well.

Oh, my first expected downvote by one of the regulars. Whatever.
Last edited on 25 January 2016, 21:54.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 20:46 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score -100
Thought the same, what was the point if we know everything beforehand?
A sequel would have been better instead.
It seems Kiasa is just filling chapters for his Tankoubon.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 21:08 by:   vnk    PM
Score +80
You guys read this for the story? I'm just half kidding, but my standards for seeing a girl in a tracksuit get fucked are pretty low as far as justification for it goes. Prequel/sequel? Whatever, sporty girl, yay! Though I'd be totally down with a continuation of the sequel, but I'm still happy this got made.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 21:11 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +11
Thought the same, what's the point if we know what happened beforehand?
A sequel would've been a better choice.

@vnk
For both of course, if the author just wanted he could make another different series, however he decided on this story.

That said I wanted a sequel, it would have shown more after DnY and still you would get sporty girl.

The sad part is that the tankoubon will have full censorship too because it's from CoreMagazine.

At least his Wani tank won't be censored.
Last edited on 27 January 2016, 13:18.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 21:42 by:   vnk    PM
Score +28
Too bad Wani is the Hitler of hentai. They have a great lineup, put out quality stuff, but have an assbackwards way of entering a new market, basically souring it all up.

Speaking of sporty girls though, Goban has a new series starting in this same issue of Comic Hotmilk and it looks hot. Looks like a pretty good issue overall, though I should probably save the comments for when Mikocon posts the full magazine here after unlocking it.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 21:44 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +8
@vnk
Check your PM, please.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 21:46 by:   badmana    PM
Score -23
This isn't even really NTR for me if there's no established relationship to break.

It's more like netori, based on what happened in Drive Your Nightmare. (guy found out the hard way but at least got something out of it)
Posted on 25 January 2016, 21:50 by:   Vivi1993    PM
Score +39
@badmana There doesn't need to be a relationship for it to be Netorare. Both the Megane and the girl had feelings for each other, which were crushed because of the intervention of that blonde guy. And it's told from her perspective, not their douchebag "friend", so it's not Netori.
The point of Netorare is to cause some feeling of sexual jealousy or despair in the reader, which is definitely the case here. The definition on this site is just very flawed. It would also exclude Family NTR where a mother abandons her children, for example.
Your first example definitely is Netori, the second one is Netorare. The important thing to differentiate them is the perspective. If it's told from the perspective of the woman being stolen or the guy getting cuckolded, then it's Netorare. If it's told from the perspective of the stealer (that includes his thoughts), it's Netori.

Also, stop trying to expunge this and tagging it with "compilation". It's two chapters of one story spread across magazine issues, which is a valid upload. See all of the other longer running stories where the magazine chapters get compiled in one single upload.
Last edited on 25 January 2016, 22:24.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 21:54 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +10
@Vivi1993
Yeah that's the point of NTR.
But I think this failed to deliver because DnY spoiled everything beforehand lol.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 22:07 by:   thanatos_persona    PM
Score -100
Why did he bother with those prequels is not even exciting or worth fapping. Should have done a sequel of the first one instead.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 22:20 by:   badmana    PM
Score +8
@Vivi1993

I don't feel much sexual jealousy/despair from reading this or any of kiasa's work. It's very tame/weak ntr and I'd say his best attempt at this was aoko blue and even that was rather weak or leaning heavily towards being netori. Mother/son or sister/brother NTR does invoke that feeling because its a strong familial bond that the woman throws away for lust. The bond between the girl and glasses guy is just weak and there isn't the revelation scene where they fuck in front of glasses, so blondie stepping in does not invoke any sort of jealous impact for me, i just begin to 'appreciate' the art.

examples: https://e-hentai.org/g/645034/cb565f7476/ https://e-hentai.org/g/714329/6f84de85a1/ i honestly believe ones like these should be labeled as netori.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 22:28 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +18
@bafmana

Agree, from what I remember glasses guy was angry that his supposed friends didn't tell him they were on that kind of relationship.

Though I found weird Hinata bother to explain what was going on when she supposedly was talking with the blonde guy.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 22:51 by:   Vivi1993    PM
Score +15
@Wilfriback https://e-hentai.org/s/65da949013/617238-3
The Megane had a crush on her and here she masturbated to him, so they did have romantic feelings for each other. It's a double betrayal, both of their friendship and of his love. He was considerate enough to care for his friend and didn't want to get the relationship awkward between them, that's why he kept his feelings secret. The blonde guy didn't give a fuck and instead blackmailed her that he would tell the Megane she masturbated to him (which is one of the weakest blackmails ever).

In DyN, everyone got NTRed. The Megane got NTRed since a long time ago, the girl was soiled and trained into a sex slave and the blonde guy slept while she fucked the guy he stole her from (which is literally "Netorare" = something being stolen in your sleep). A sequel would have so much potential with the Megane confronting them or stealing her back again like in Kizashi, but instead we got these generic prequel chapters.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 22:55 by:   themafiaguru    PM
Score +9
I got the impression that glasses guy was at least the first one to do it raw with her in "Drive your Nighmare", but oh well, seems like it wasn't the case.

Here they were in HS and in "DyN" seems like college? Props to her for holding on to that pendant for so long when she was supposed to have fallen already. Maybe it was explained in these chapters.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 22:59 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +8
@Vuvi1993
I don't know what does that have to do with my last comment.

@themafiaguru
He was but this sequel retconed that. However there is a bit difference, in DnY Hinata didn't take any pill while here in the sequel she took them.
_______

I'm serious, sequel, NOW.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 23:10 by:   Vivi1993    PM
Score +2
@Wilfriback
>Agree, from what I remember glasses guy was angry that his supposed friends didn't tell him they were on that kind of relationship.
That makes it sound like Megane didn't really care about them fucking or that he had feelings for her, just that they did it without telling him.

DyN didn't say anything about him being the first to have unprotected sex with her, just that they would do it without condoms "this time".
What kind of pill was that even?
Posted on 25 January 2016, 23:13 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +7
@Vivi1994
He did care but they not telling him is what angered him.

In this second chapter blonde douchebag jammed it raw when she was talking, then he offered a contraception pill and she, worried about getting pregnant, obeyed his orders right before her mind broke.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 23:37 by:   Nanaya2007    PM
Score +102
People should really stop asking for artists to do things that they don't like. There are artists I like that draw scat, yaoi, and trap manga, but I don't complain that their works are wasted or pointless that they do so. It's what they do.
I'm happy enough that they go and do works that aren't in those genre, but they have a happy buyer base that they make those stories for, the same with Kiasa with NTR stories.
Kiasa is a mangaka that does NTR stories along with other genre of stories. The beauty of that is that you do not know the direction of where the story goes. If every story Kiasa made ended up like Kizashi where the guy who got NTR'd always won in the end, then the suspense will always be lacking, because you know the ending of the story already.
The point that Kiasa made this was to expand on the background of a previous story. That's all. There is no need for Kiasa to justify making this to anyone. And there are also people who enjoy knowing how everything started, so it's not like these stories don't do anything. Calling it pointless is just wrong.

@Vivi1993
Kiasa does netori, but he does netorare as well. Like hardcore netorare. Calling this a pointless work just because it does not conform to your taste is wrong. There are many people in this thread right now who are enjoying that Kiasa did a prequel.

"argument is flawed"
I probably didn't explain myself well, but that "direction" point I made was with DyN. It literally does NOT need to become a netori revenge story. It's fine on its own. It can be a netori story or it can't be, but on its own, it's a fine story.
That is a separate thing from you wanting to get a netori sequel and then calling prequels that don't confirm to your personal tastes as pointless. It is also unfair to the mangaka and unfair to the fans of the works from other genres that he does, specifically netorare.

To Kiasa's netorare fans (or fans of women wearing tracksuits in general), these prequel chapters are amazing and certainly not pointless.

@ wilfriback
There are 30+ people in this thread, excuse me, this PAGE (to be more precise) that rated this manga post at an average of 4.77. That's many, unless 30+ people aren't many.
The point still stands that there are people who enjoy these stories. And Kiasa does not have to justify anything that he/she does making these things. Again, calling things pointless is just you wanting things to conform to your personal tastes, and is completely unfair to the people who like these stories.

If every story went your way, Wilfriback, there would be no netorare stories ever made in Japan. They'd all be netori revenge or some vanilla story. And that, again, is completely unfair to the fans of the genre, and to the artists who want to draw about the genre. Complaining about Kiasa drawing these chapters is just poor sportsmanship. He draws non-netorare chapters at times already, and there's a whole load of vanilla manga out there being made in droves.

Why do people who enjoy netorare have to listen to people that constantly talk badly of what they enjoy? Why do artists who enjoy writing netorare have to be disrespected every time by people calling their works pointless?

Why do people have to force their own tastes onto others in a thread (excuse me, PAGE) that is about netorare? If you don't like netorare, don't read it. I mean, I don't like yaoi or traps or scat, so I just don't read it.

EDIT:
Well, judging from many of your posts from other threads (PAGEs), you always try to reclassify netorare into vanilla stories, and you keep saying that this netorare story is boring or that netorare story is crap. I mean, just judging from that alone, no matter what you might say, is clearly anti-netorare. You almost always never have anything good to say about netorare stories.

And there are many people in this thread (PAGE) that are enjoying the story. That point stands. Well, it's 40+ now.

I'm not going to drag this discussion any further, but all it all comes down to is that it would be nice if peoples' tastes and works were respected at the least. Kiasa's a very good artist after all and netorare fans should be able to enjoy things they like too. Just like people who like, or, make other genres.
Last edited on 26 January 2016, 01:15.
Posted on 25 January 2016, 23:48 by:   Vivi1993    PM
Score -100
@Nanaya2007 kiasa also does Netori. DyN would have been an excellent starting point for Netori of the Megane. In some other stories by him the MCs had girls they loved who married someone else and they stole them back in the end.

Also: "The beauty of that is that you do not know the direction of where the story goes."
You knew exactly where this was going because it's a prequel to another story, so that argument is flawed. And it's not sure whether the MC of Kizashi wins at the end either. He could still fuck something up.

Edit: The number of ratings is not always an accurate representation how many people read and / or enjoyed a gallery. Each day there's a dozen of people who massrate to get into the top lists, others just rate based on what they saw in the thumbnails.
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Posted on 26 January 2016, 00:25 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score -100
@Nanaya2007
"There are many people on this thread "

Nope, don't speak for others or better yet, start counting. We're not many posting.
Even on JP twitter DnY got better reception, while the sequels can't get past 10 replies on kiasa's blog.
Ignore the direction it takes, the point is that a sequel would have been a better choice or at least hope one will be made in the future.

EDIT:
What.
Since when "my way" has been netori revenge or vanilla. I told you didn't I? Don't speak for others. and I said posting, really, isn't that hard to read before editing your post.

And please, Re-Do your reply as everthing you said is biased or unrelated to what I said and is mostly "complaining that others don't like what I like even when they're not being disrepectful".

Edit2:
Again, nope, just because I don't like something things from some netorare doujins or manga automatically makes me anti-netorare, I have a lot of them on my Favorites since freaking 2008.

"you always try to reclassify netorare into vanilla stories"
That's preemptive prejudice form your part and overreacting.
And nope, I only do when they're not, for example that last Ritsuko from Idolmaster's doujin isn't netorare, yet was tagged as netorare, just like many galleries are tagged pregnant by having one preggo page.
And just like I usually take my time checking manga/doujins/etc lacking the netorare tag, making short summaries and even pointing out where the netorare chapter is on some tanks to help those who look for it or those who want to avoid it, you're being picky about what you choose to "attack" and then play the victim.
Last edited on 26 January 2016, 01:18.
Posted on 26 January 2016, 02:37 by:   Darktaka    PM
Score -1
So I am not going to read these paragraphs did someone sum up the new chapter? it has to do with a drug looks like. The art style is always on point with this guy tho ehh maybe he will have glasses get a girl or something which i doubt.
Posted on 26 January 2016, 02:52 by:   vjbeal96    PM
Score +16
I'll be the middle man here and say i like this prequel. The one thing i remember in the comments of dyn was "how can he be mad when he doesn't know if she cared about him"? This establish that she indeed likes him and that this was caused by the blonde hair guy. That the very necklace she wears is a gift from the glasses guy, and that blondie is a dick. However, the problem here is the timing of when he made this. He should have made this before he made dyn cause, this doesn't change the already established facts

He still knows that they are doing this behind his back

She is still a slave

They are still going to keep doing this.

But, that doesn't mean that this prequel is bad. It just makes me want to know how things are going to be from now on. Will they have threesomes? Will he confront them about it? Will he pretend that he doesn't know what is up? All we can hope for now is that he makes the long awaited sequel.
Posted on 26 January 2016, 03:08 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +23
@darktaka
- Hinata gets a pendant from glasses.
- Still gets dicked by blondie who is a dick to her while pretending she already likes him, she doesn't' which pisses him off.
- When talking with glasses, blonde gets super salty that Hinata still doesn't likes him and pushed him away to talk with glasses, so he fucks her from behind when she was with her guard down.
- He offers her a contraceptive pill via tongue, scared of pregnancy she accepts it and subsequently falls to the lust and breaks.
- Ends with her mind broken as blondie's slave while her last words are that 'she loves glasses but doesn't deserves to love him' for what she's become now.

@vjbeal96
Nothing wrong with the prequel, it's just it's long without adding nothing new at all. A sequel would be interesting and offered more to the plot.
Posted on 26 January 2016, 03:47 by:   Testamentt    PM
Score +2
What is in the phone message?

Is that the invitation from the vacation thing from DYN?

Or this prequel happened years before that???
Posted on 26 January 2016, 07:14 by:   ryu77    PM
Score +16
Ah man, now this just makes me wonder what will happen to the glasses guy? He thought they all were just friends so he didn't confess, but now that he knows that they are lovers what would he do? Will he move on and find someone else? Confront them? Threesome?
Posted on 26 January 2016, 09:05 by:   rediat    PM
Score +28
How the hell did i missed this! damn that was so freaking hot.

@Nanaya2007 Totally agree with you my man!

Would love to see this translated.
Posted on 26 January 2016, 16:20 by:   cen2202    PM
Score +6
everytime i feel bad for the guy got netorare but i cant stop ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :D
Posted on 26 January 2016, 20:52 by:   Vivi1993    PM
Score -100
@Testamentt It has nothing to do with a trip. They're in High School here, while they're already in college in DyN. I could read "Thank you" there, so it's probably a message that she's grateful for the pendant or something.

@ryu77 They're not lovers. She never came to love him, otherwise she wouldn't hold on to the pendant for years. She probably just accepted that he will never stop fucking and harrassing her like the douchebag he is, ashamed to ask the Megane for help. Maybe she knew it was actually him she fucked in DyN and that was her way of making him take actions, whether he would abandon them and get happy elsewhere or beat the shit out of them.

As I said, there was much more potential for a sequel than two prequel chapters here.
Sasuga for nuking my first comment, by the way.

@sonnyboy6 The name of the girl is indeed Hinata. The Megane is called Satoshi, and the blonde douchebag was called Shou in DyN. I don't know where Hikage comes from. Maybe it's the last name of Hinata.
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Posted on 26 January 2016, 22:18 by:   Hekigan    PM
Score +7
Please double-check your romanization of the title. I am certainly not an expert at reading Japanese, but I think it should be 'Kagehinata no Hinata + Kagehinata no Hikage'. I interpret this as 'Two-faces of Hinata + Two-faces of Hikage'. I am presuming Hinata and Hikage are character names. I welcome corrections to this comment.
Posted on 27 January 2016, 00:29 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +8
Hikage is a name but in this case it's playing with the way Hinata is read if you change a Kanji.
Posted on 27 January 2016, 11:48 by:   Testamentt    PM
Score +8
@vivi thanks... I re-read DyN, and megane dude is still in the seat where he was f*cked by Girl, after he woke up... And her last sentence about the return trip, i think she will do it again... And now mc has many options here, play along with her or confess to her on what happened...
Personally i hope megane dude do it like the guy on kiasa's other work... 72... He and the girl make some babies and girl will pretend and say to the scumbag that he is the father. >:D
Posted on 31 January 2016, 17:08 by:   moximoore    PM
Score +9
I must say, this is probably the most tame discussion I've seen on an NTR manga.
Posted on 04 February 2016, 22:44 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +8
@moximoore
It used to be civil before, something went wrong at some point.

Don't know why hide my post but here it goes.

@Nanaya2007

First, I told you various times didn't I? Learn to read, I said people posting so you could avoid repeating the same mistakes before editing.

Second, you couldn't be even more wrong, I've been here since 2008 and have favorite artists that do ntr, just because I don't like some doesn't makes me a so called "anti netorare" people often mistags impregnation, pregnancy, etc, just look at Ritsuko's last doujin tagged as ntr when it even wasn't.

Third, you're are being preemptively prejudiced and then play the victim and that's low since it only appeals to the pity of other users, just look at how your commentary starts.

I always make summaries and even point out where the Mtr in s tankoubon or anthology is for those who look for it or those who want too avoid it.
Last edited on 14 February 2016, 16:23.
Posted on 07 May 2016, 10:16 by:   milkun96    PM
Score +6
Dunno why people still get worked up over NTR. Imo, this work plot is really weak and cliche. I mean, getting caught for masturbate in the changing room => blackmail => mindbreak? C'mon, there are tons of similars doujin, how would you still bored to care about this cliche setting? One similar work is Zutto Suki datta from Yuzuki N dash, same setting, only 1 different thing is the NTR guy is a teacher.
But well, I still like this. As all the other works from kiasa, I don't pay much attention to the story, only care for the art, which is really his strong point.
Well, don't think there will be happy ending. Hinata (the girl) have already fallen. Yeah, in DyN, maybe she really planned everything and give the glasses the raw sex with no pill or condom, but she won't try to confess to him because she think that she doesn't deserve to be with him anymore. So really doubt there will be any other sequel. Zutto Suki datta also ends similar like this.
For anyone confused about the story, in the half later part the glasses guy invited the heroine to stay and study together. At the end, the glasses guy waited for her but then received message that she won't come.
Posted on 08 May 2016, 04:46 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +12
@milkun96
Wrong, Zutto Suki datta has no "end", it was left incomplete because Yuzuki retired from the magazine and draw Shimoneta's manga and its first chapter hints the guy Gin onfessed because he somehow found out(their friend Tomoe was worried) and couldn't just let the Setsuna go like that, note that the chapters 2,3 and 4 happen way before their graduation on chapter 1.
Posted on 14 May 2016, 17:04 by:   milkun96    PM
Score +6
@Wilfriback
Hmm, imo, the end in the 1st chapter of Zutto Suki datta of is really vague, not really precise that the guy or the friend knew clearly about her situation. The heroine confessed that she is already smt..., but the guy didn't let her finish and still said he loves her. And the heroine say smt like "I always loved you", the past tense or smt, which I think she means she doesn't love him anymore. And in the 1st chapter, her hair is really long, but in the 4th, her hair is short, which mean the time between 1st chapter and 4th is really long. Only after such a long time did he confess to her, but she already showed mindbreak signs in the 4th chapter. I don't know Japanese and only understand 1st chapter in english, so maybe it's just me misunderstood, if you know the language then please fix me, really appreciate.
Yeah, Zutto Suki datta was left incomplete. I also have already known that, not the reason tho. What I wanted to say is properly the 1st chap is already the conclusion, which we don't really know who she might end up with. I just thought that Yuzuki would intentionally left it vaguely, which is really her style with her another works, elder sister control or another world. But yeah, it is just me jumping to conclusion, thank for the fix.
Posted on 14 May 2016, 20:30 by:   Wilfriback    PM
Score +13
It's a she thinks she is dirty after all she went through and the guy stopped her because he doesn't wants her to think that scenario.

It happened with one of Inomaru series, the girl is blackmailed and "breaks" but at the end tries to avoid the MC because she is dirty (she even promised the Principal to be his slave).
He stops her saying she isn't dirty and even if she is he will clean her.

Chapters 2-4 and likely chapter 5 based on the previews are part of a long flashback that should end soon.

Even the darkest (and laziest) work of Yuzuki, Another World, was solved by MC telling her to not do what she was doing which makes her realize how pointless was her anal training.
In that one MC won without being there, heroine chose her boyfriend over her cheat partner but her body was accustomed to anal which she regrets while MC accepts her even if she is "dirty" now.

Elder sister control, I can't remember much but at the end the mind control goes out of hand and she forces him to keep using her by mindcontrolling him.

This series isn't the epitome of originality and you can see the direction this is going.
That's why I want the flashback to end.

The tittle means that the love was always there not that it stopped, it just wasn't realized by the guy.

What I expect and want to see is how he found out.
He wanted to say something but was interrupted in the first chapter by the heroine's friend.
In the flashback the heroine's friend with glasses says heroine has been acting weird and we can see he is forcing herself to pretend she is fine. She wasn't broken, more like she gave up and tongue slipped it.
We also see how shocked she was when he told her she was attractive and loves her while she was like in denial about it so something must have happened. This author doesn't has pregnancy but there she might had been pregnant and aborted it with the teacher's help(hence her touching her belly).
Gin's attitude seems suspicious and apologetic if he doesn't knows anything, he acted more like the MC from Another World aka he knows what happened but doesn't wants her to revive those memories.

First chapter is more like a one or two chapters before the conclusion though so we have to wait after chapter 5 this month(already out on Japan) yo see if the plot starts moving or will still show this Namek long flashback.

We should move this talk to this thread:
https://e-hentai.org/g/760353/3daeaba9dd/
Chapter 5 is out and the scans will come soon, so far preview shows a continuation of chapter 4: sex with the teacher.
Last edited on 14 May 2016, 20:58.
Posted on 21 July 2016, 02:43 by:   destroyingtime    PM
Score +7
so uh is he going to do a sequel after this for drive your nightmare?
also he butt seem smaller here she got skinny from the sex huh
Last edited on 21 July 2016, 03:24.

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